however, you heard speaker john boehner says they triering to annihilate the go. do you think the party itself has to make policy changes in order to recruit and attract different voters? >> this is my 12th presidential election. i've been around more that we won than we lost but i've been around ones that we lost. this is what the republicans are upset about because they feel like they could have won. that the president -- >> governor, you're looking back -- you're looking back at the cam parngs but it seems to me from peggy noonan and a whole range of people, especially the speaker, to accuse the president of trying to annihilate the party, that takes it to the future, not the past. >> well, look. this is the most political presidency we've ever had. this is the perpetual campaign. as soon as the campaign was over and we started talk about the first serious piece of business, the fiscal cliff, the obama campaign ran it purely like a political campaign. if your heard the president's state of the union address where the vast majority of americans are worried about